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We Report, You get your tin-foil caps on and decide…

Here is what is wrong with Fox and it’s bat crap-crazy base and why Liberals and their ‘media’ will always be better.

After 9/11 there was a theory floating around that it wasn’t the planes that brought the towers down, but instead it was an inside job hatched out by George Bush,Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.  They knew the attack was coming, which is why President Bush was out of the White House and why many others in charge were also out of harms way. They knew the planes wouldn’t be able to do more than burn a few floors but they wanted something spectacular.. a ‘shock and awe’ if you will, so they had a demolition team rig the towers to implode and fall. For proof,  9/11 truthers point to WTC build 7.

The reason behind all this was to give Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld a reason to enact the Patriot Act and other Constitutional rights-ending laws and to take us back to Iraq so President Bush could either finish the job his dad left unfinished, or to get vengeance on the man who tried to kill his daddy.  Personally I feel if it was the latter then a secret hit squad would have been used instead, but the former doesn’t make any sense either unless you consider he and his dad had such a crappy relationship that he wanted to ‘best’ his father by actually deposing Saddam and brining freedom to the area. Plausible sure, but the idea that he’d destroy New York city to do it? Crazy.. I know. I’m not saying it’s not crazy. In fact, even in the face of some pretty convincing information, it’s still crazy talk. Sure, some of those question raised should be answered, but the idea that any president would not just allow an attack on the country to take place, but help the death and destruction along to prove he’s better than his daddy is just cuckoo .  I’m more willing to say it was to bilk billions out of the governement for war contracts.. but that’s just another part of this crazy conspiracy.

While the Right has it’s ultra-conservative in Ann Coulter (did you just feel that? it felt like a ghost walked over my grave).. the Left has it’s own ultra-wing in Bill Maher. To me, he’s the liberal liberal. I don’t dislike him, in fact I think his show should be a must see for both sides because even though he’s a liberal’s liberal, you can’t deny his facts. Anyway, like Coulter (there’s that ‘ghost walking on my grave; feeling again) Maher has a few ‘fringe’ leanings so to me, this 9/11 truther stuff would be right up his ally and yet..

even he doesn’t buy into the ‘crazy’. It’s not like he was a fan of George Bush, that would be like saying Coulter secretly yearns to have Jeremiah Wright’s love child. No, Maher just knows crazy-talk when he hears it and  as a comedian, a ‘social commentator‘ who could discuss the theory in jest while at the same time lending it credibility, Maher doesn’t.  But,instead of just ignoring it, he goes after it. When brought onto his show, he even attacks it and tosses it out

That’s right, don’t be gentle with him.. ass-kicking is what’s called for. Why? Because this kind of shit is simply crazy talk that even  Bush-bashing, Peta member,Prius driving,arugula eating, ultra liberals find it too insane to put out there. Maher was not the only ultra-liberal, Noam Chomsky and Matt Tiabbi of Rolling Stone also called it crazy.  Ok, Taibbi called it clinically insane..but the point is, the liberal world said “whooaa, are you fucking crazy?” to people promoting such an extremist idea.  So what does it say when the highest rated, so called ‘News’ network who aren’t invaded by people spreading the crazy, but actually have them on voluntarily, put the crazy  out there and say nothing against it?

And I would not be surprised if the White House said, you know, we might be able to, guess what, do what? Use this crisis to our advantage. Let this crisis get really bad, and then we will step in. We will be able to shut down offshore drilling. We will be able to turn to all these alternate fuels.MICHAEL BROWN, FORMER FEMA DIRECTOR on NEIL CAVUTO


How did Cavuto respond? Did the “Fair and Balanced” network respond to crazy the same way Bill Maher did and throw it off the set?

...And I would not be surprised if the White House said, you know, we might be able to, guess what, do what? Use this crisis to our advantage. Let this crisis get really bad, and then we will step in. We will be able to shut down offshore drilling. We will be able to turn to all these alternate fuels.

And I think the problem they have right now is, they waited too long.

CAVUTO: So, by constantly referring to this as the BP still, the BP leak, the BP disaster, that there’s a method to that, right?

BROWN: Oh, absolutely.

That’s right sports fans.. nothing. Not a thing. The idea that any president would allow a catastrophe that will affect generations of American to just happen so that he can get his agenda through is the kind of talk you will only see shut down by the liberal .. what do they call it.. ‘lame stream media’. Conservative media on the other hand,will not only put the crazy out there, but they’ll leave it there unquestioned to fester and spread throughout the masses. Don’t kid yourself, it’s out there and it’s spreading. Today, Poltico.com reported that White House Press secretary ‘gave it to’ Fox news for allowing this crazy on their airwaves, after reading the story and watching the video of Gibbs

I took a gander at the comments..

-If bumbling Bobby screams, it’s not so, then we have to watch FOX because we know it”s true.

-I wouldn’t put anything past this regime.With the elections coming this fall and the possibility of a major loss, everything is on the table and everything is political.

-Whatsa matter Goebbels -I mean Gibbs- does the truth hurt? Obama’s incompetence is stunning. Heckuvajob Obama!

That’s not so far fetched. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Maybe that’s why he got so mad. ‘thou doth protest too much’ This administration is in bed with the environmental wackos who in turn are in bed with eco terrorists. Makes sense to me.

LMAO … “Baghdad Bob” Gibbs is one of those who unfairly targeted George Bush for the Katrina ‘errors’ that were really the fault of the inept Mayor of N.O and the Democrat Gov. or LA. Sorry about the oil tragedy, but watching Gibbs whine like a stuck pig is another example of, WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!

yep, Cavuto sure played to his base didn’t he?( Never mind the fact that as a “News” channel, it shouldn’t have a base.) This goes on for 200+ consecutive replies.  No rebuttal and  no sanity it’s just a giant orgy of crazy hate.

My favorite of course is the “what goes around comes around” argument because that has been the feeling since election night. I’ve said it before, there is a section of the population that thought immediately after learning they had a new President, “Let’s see how you like it”. From that moment on they have stood in opposition of everything, while complaining about things that don’t have any basis in reality. “What goes around!” is the underlying motto behind every single attack against this President. The funny thing is, this President is a lot more “George Bush” than liberals expected and is a lot more passive and conservative than they’d hoped. Had the raving loons at Fox news and those out there living by the “Let’s see how you like it” agenda only argued valid points on policy instead of birth certificates,teleprompters,czars and socialism.. there would have had more liberals in their corner than they’d know what to do with. Instead, the fringe right has taken over the conservative media and the nations attention. It’s not that a majority of the nation believes in what the fringe is spouting, it’s more of a .. you can’t look away from the horror of that car accident.. type problem. But lost in this shuffle are the moderates who by their silence give their consent. Well that’s their problem to work out. John McCain has found a way, and that’s to go back on everything he’s ever done just to prove his purity. Other GOP members are throwing their own personal relationships out the window for proof of purity and party loyalty, and they are to admitting it.  Like I said,  the bridges they are burning are their own problems to fix when the attention shifts away from the crazy. For now, the ‘tin-foil hats’ have taken over and while you would expect a politician to go whichever way will get him elected, for a so called “News” channel to once again wear theirs proudly, truly is the downfall of journalism. Especially when the only place real people are left to get real news is from the real comedians.

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My reply to lil mike

ekg here…what you’re about to read is  what lil Mike and I do, this is where we are in our comfort zone and where we excel. It’s long, it’s tedious, but the final result is an all out information explosive.. We have done this kind of exchange for years on muchedumbre.com. When we started ‘blogging’, we forgot that which made us great… the quote/reply debate, because it’s hard to get into that sort of debate in a ‘blog-comment’ section..

well, not anymore…

Here is my rebuttal to Lil Mike’s

Public Option? -> Only Option

Feel free to join in the debate in the comment sections.

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” But one thing is clear, if it’s going to be reform in any way that Obama and the far left of the Democratic Party care about, it’s got to have the “Public Option.”  Right now the administration is having it both ways.  On the one hand it’s saying that it has no intention of driving private insurers out of business, but on the other hand, reassuring Congressional Democrats that the President is still committed to having a public option as part of his vision of health care reform.

Why the Public Option?  The formal answer was included in Obama’s letter to Senators Kennedy and Baucus:

“I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest.”

Competition?  There are approximately 1300 health insurance providers in the US.  Really, will 1301 really make the difference and suddenly lead to “a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest?”  That’s all it would take, just one more provider?  The idea is so ridiculous that you would have to be a White House journalist to buy it.”

Ok, will one more provider really make a difference? Absofuckinglutley!  Yes, 1300 companies offering the same shitty product would actually have to offer a better option if a bigger and better player came on to the scene. Your debate isn’t whether the Government can offer a product that will make the other companies provide a better choice, your argument is… Should the Government offer that product at all.. So let’s not play games with throwing in all this other stuff..

“What makes the public option the crown jewel of any health care reform plan?  It’s the camel’s nose under the tent for single payer government healthcare.  No, this isn’t just Republican scare-mongering.  I can hardly imagine any other conclusion for the insistence on a government healthcare plan.  And it’s easy to see how it would happen.  The logic is this:  One of the keys of health care reform is an individual mandate, but you can’t very well have one if people cannot afford to buy health insurance, so you have to provide an option for people too poor to pay.  Enter the public option.  An analysis of several public option scenarios shows that premiums could be 30 to 40 percent less than comparable private plans.  That of course hinges on the government paying reimbursement rates comparable to Medicare, which are 70-80 percent of what private insurers pay.”

I read your Lewin Group PDF analysis it was interesting.. until I Googled them and found out that..

Lewin Group is) part of Ingenix, which is owned by United Healthcare Group, the insurance behemoth that has been buying up insurance companies left and right, expanding its reach into just about every segment of the health-insurance market. Its flagship, UnitedHealthcare, helps make it the largest health insurer in the country. It’s a safe bet that United is not too keen on a public plan that might shrink its business.

Now I don’t find them credible in this discussion..Sorry about that but seriously, you wouldn’t allow me to use Rahm’s notes as actual unbiased data would you?But let’s address this ‘fear-mongering’ warpath scream of “Single Payer Healthcare-Oh My”..  Why is it that every time a Democrat tries to do anything you Pub’s start screaming ‘Government take-over!” “Government Control” “States Right!” and“Give me Liberty” , when after 8 years of massive Government abuse, Lenin-ish intrustion, insane Government spending,  and obscene Government entitlements there was nothing but the sound-bite of “If you’re not with the President, you are with the terrorists” to anyone who raised a fart of a question?

But now, Oh My God! We’re killing health care…!! We’re taxing people too much..!! Businesses will crumble..!!

really?

Did you know that Bush’s medicare proposal was…

…aimed to inject market forces into Medicare by encouraging beneficiaries to enroll in government-subsidized private health plans that would compete directly with the traditional government-run, fee-for-service program. The drug benefit would be the chief inducement for seniors to make the switch to private plans.

Maybe I missed it, but were there Fox News sponsored Tea-parties for that?

Something else I just found out (by the way, this is why Mike and I do this so well… during our hunt for facts we often find other facts that come in handy in other debates) “The Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security was the brainchild of one William Jefferson Clinton.” Sure the website is a little nutty and over the top in it’s ‘doomsday’ opinions, and in all seriousness I shouldn’t link it because you will use it against me, but what the hell.. it pretty much spells out everything I’m saying about what the Pubs were happy to do with a Pub leader and shit themselves when it’s a Democrat doing the same thing. Best of all, it does it with the same chicken-little hyperbole you guys are using now..

In short, Bush’s encouragement to beneficiaries to enroll out of their private plans and into the government plan didn’t bring about “Single-Payer Storm troopers” and neither will President Obama’s. But if… if it did, once again you can thank Bush for that ummm…camel nose under the tent… since he started the ball rolling… 😉

Of course I loathe the ‘It’s Bush’s fault” argument.. It was fun for a few years there, but now it’s just old,crusty and only garners a slight roll of the eyes… The problem is, there are just so many fucking things that are his fault and you Pubs are just now finding that out because Obama is following in his footsteps on alot of them. So as loathsome as it is to say.. it’s still applicable.

Moving on…


“So one of the ways the Obama plan controls costs is just by paying the doctors and hospitals less.  I’m sure that will make a great incentive for people to go into the medical field.  And who wouldn’t want to be taxed to subsidize their competitor?”

President Obama will pay doctors less and therefore who would ever go into the med field.. An addendum to this argument is the.. “we will become a 3rd world health care system because there will be no incentives (money) for research”… OK 1st, we already are below many 3rd world countries when it comes to our health care and as for the rest? Well,  I can think of one disease that if it wasn’t for the French, not only would we still be calling it GRID, who knows when someone would have been able to isolate the AIDS retrovirus. Hell, it was a German who discovered that HPV was the leading cause in cervical cancer…

As for being paid less? When did we lose that ‘country doctor’ mentality of people becoming a doctor to help people? Was it around the same time insurance companies first started popping up? I’d really love to see a study on the correlation of the emergence of insurance companies and their control and doctors treating people less because it’s what they dream of doing and more to try and become a million by the time they are 30.

In short, I don’t know what President Obama’s plans on the pay scale for doctors and hospitals is. I know that right now we spend more money on administration costs than just about anything else. Medicare proves that you only need to spend 2% on admin costs and still function admirably.. $230 billion a year is spent in California alone on administration costs, Obama’s plan cost less than 1/2 that for the entire country.. so why those  massive saving would not trickle down throughout the system is beyond me.  To me, it would seem that if $25 from every $100 doctor visit that went to insurance administration now, was cut to $2, the doctor would be seeing a hell of alot better of a return.

“First, the same analysis shows that depending on the premium rate for the public option, 119 million people could lose their private health insurance…If the public plan has lower premiums, what do they care what rate their doctor gets paid at?  Others would find themselves dumped.  Why would companies want the expense of maintaining their own health insurance coverage when a public plan can offer lower premiums?”


I addressed this somewhat above when I brought Bush’s plan to get people off the private rolls and onto the public ones  to your attention already, but that’s not my argument against it, a bad plan is a bad plan no matter who the President is, something the Republican  religion doesn’t like to admit..My argument is this… I believe you are wrong.. those insurance companies will be forced to compete with the new plan.. they will have to offer something else, whether it be a lower premium or more coverage or an annual trip to Bermuda..whatever.. I mean do you seriously think they’ll just keel over and die? Hell no, they’ll find something that their competitor doesn’t have and offer it..

Back in the 90’s I was fired for being pregnant, lost my insurance(not that I had prenatal anyway), and was forced to go on Medicaid. HMO’s were exploding at that time and you were forced to pick either an HMO or straight medicaid. There was many HMO’s to chose from  and they all pretty much offered the same plans as each other and medicaid but since there was competition, the HMO’s decided to offer other incentives to get people to enroll in their plan. It was piddly shit like  children vitamins each month with this one, free contacts with that one, free vitamins,contacts and bubble gum with the other..(ok, not really on the bubble gum.. but you get the point).. the catch was you had to use their doctors,their hospitals and their pharmacies. Or you could stick with medicaid and go with pretty much whoever you wanted. I liked my doctor and she took medicaid so I chose that path. So when you tell me that a government sponsored plan will not only force people out of their private plan but will force private plans to close up shop and move away.. I laugh! These companies want to succeed today just as much as they want to succeed tomorrow and they will find a way to entice employers to keep paying them.. Whether that be free vitamins or a free trip to Bora-Bora for the employer who signs up the most employees onto their plan.Most, if not all, will adapt and  survive… and those that don’t? Well, you don’t mind when they fall in a full capitalistic society do you?

So why is a Public plan the only option? Because without it there is no change.. With it there is a crack in the monopoly-like hold insurance companies have on this country and it’s leaders. They have never had to worry about regulation and competition before and now they are throwing out all the buzz words that make  conservative hard.. “Socialism”..”Government sponsored”..”Government entitlement”… and to that I say Pshaw! Look what the debate has already done for health care… before a person was actually denied  treatment for her cancer because her insurance company said an outbreak of pimples in her past constituted a ‘pre-existing conditions’.Pimples!  But now all of a sudden insurance companies are screaming that sure,  they can get rid of the pre-existing conditions clause. The debate alone is forcing other companies to offer more benefits at a lower cost to women in some states.. The debate alone is changing health care for the better.. If the debate is cleaning up health care and the conglomerate-do-as-they-please  hold on health care that the insurance companies have.. then I am encouraged as to what an actual Public Plan will be able to do.

So, the cost factor? One state already pays 1 and 1/2 times more for just the administrative costs than the public plan for an entire country.

The reduction of doctor’s fee and hospital costs? The savings from the decrease in administration costs should increase what the medical providers see.

The loss of research and cutting edge medicine? You walk into the  Pasteur Institute and tell them they’re a 2nd tier institute.

Socialism? Please.. George Socialist Bush!

The loss of a free market? No, more like the opening of a closed market and forcing it to become competitive to survive..

Yes… Public Option? is the only Option

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In GOP we trust…

I saw this cartoon in the Financial Times yesterday morning, and couldn’t agree with it more…

The story,  is along the lines of a blog that I did not too long ago entitled “Hoping for Audacity”.  While reading some of the comments on Mr. Crook’s blog page, I was glad to see I’m not the only one asking … Where is the audacious, ‘yes we can’ leader we elected?

I do not believe it is an insult to ask,” Mr. President, what are you afraid of?” or “what are you waiting for?” I believe in fact it’s the prudent thing to do because he may just be thinking that if he holds out for just a little bit more, then maybe the GOP will just fall in line and do as he pleases..

The problem here is…  that will never happen.

The GOP would rather turn on it’s own than step one foot into the bipartisan arena and that is because of is this newly emerging ‘religious-like’ dogma code the GOP are living by these days. It’s been slow to take shape, but it’s become undeniable that the GOP followers see their party as a type of religion and their leaders as some kinds of prophets or disciples to be worshiped at all costs. You only have to look at Mark Sanford to see what it is I’m talking about.

Since when do Republicans endorse abandoning their post, turning off their cell phones,lying to their aids and leaving  their state without a leader for a few days while  going out and getting their love on in another country with their mistress, who their wife had told them they couldn’t visit all of the 8 times they asked  if they could visit?

I seem to remember not too long ago the outrage wasn’t that Clinton had sex with that woman (wink-wink), but it was that he did it while in the Oval office and while being on the phone with members of Congress. ‘What kind of leader would do such a thing’ was demanded and ‘he should be run out of town for it’ seemed to be the reply.  Well, who would have known that had Bill just left his secret service detail,wife,child,phone, office and gone missing in Argentina for a week with Monica.. we could have save  bundles of time and energy.

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The contortion one has to accomplish to justify Sanford’s actions are only mimicked in religion. I am surprised that Bill Maher hasn’t picked up on this yet.  This, need to excuse everything at all cost because any dent in the dogma  may bring it all down upon them.

What Sanford did was wrong. The reason he did it, to have a quickie, is not the issue.. atleast not for the Democrats. Their only reason for even bringing up the affair is because it’s too great an irony that the ‘righteous’ and ‘moral’ party is once again caught with their pants down, so great in fact that it just can’t be ignored. But, that is not the meat of the issue in the questions surrounding whether he should resign  or not. OF course he should resign! He went missing for 5 days without a care in the world as to what happened to  the state he was governing.  I can see not wanting his wife to know where he was, but he didn’t even tell his aids or turn his phone on just in case  something happened that he needed to be reachable for.

There is no question that he should resign, not for his affair.. but for his going AWOL. The bizarre part isn’t in thinking that, it’s in watching someone justify why his excuse for the adultery is the reason why he should not resign for leaving his job. Sure King David fell, but number one, he’s not King David and number 2, he’s not being asked to step down because he can’t be trusted to keep it in his pants, he’s being asked to step down because he can’t be trusted to govern. Sanford  and not so bizarrely, Rush, used the excuse that he had just come off a hard defeat in trying to fight President Obama’s socialist march through South Carolina and he needed the rest. Well… what is going to happen after the next stressful time? Is Sanford going to pretend he and one of his children have been car-jacked when he actually just ran off to Disney World?

There is something in the GOP these days that not only fears coming out against one of their own when that person is absolutely  and on every level, wrong.. but when there are some that do come out against the holy see, they are excommunicated for their dissent.

The party of the religious has itself turned into a religion that must not be disputed, doubted or  diverged from.

If those in their own party can’t compete with this without fear of being tossed out, how can President Obama think he can accomplish any bipartisan achievements? The simple truth of it is, he can’t. But that’s why he was elected with such a majority and given all the congressional tools he needed to accomplish his vision. We  the people wanted certain policies enacted or changed. We hoped to finally be able to say “Yes we did” but someone forget to tell the President this and it’s time someone reminds Superman that he doesn’t have to duck when the gun is thrown at him.

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